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A brilliant and outragously funny satire of society, 7 December 1999
Author: Dave Joerg ([email protected])
"Flodder" is one of the funniest movies ever made and few people realise that it is a Dutch movie made by none other than the Holland version of John Carpenter, the famous Dick Maas, author and director of the thriller "Amsterdamned". The Flodder family is the reincarnation of the term a-social. When the whole family bunch, basically all bastards, criminals and sluts must be relocated from their City slum because of toxic waste under their house, the city council house no choice. The only available space is in the "Zoendal" - the "Sun Valley" the best area in Amsterdam where all doctors, snobs and businessmen can afford to live their lives. And where the central point of interest and politics is the tennis club of the community. The Flodder family brings devastation to the tranquil world that ruled before. They are simply unbelievable. The characterisation is incredibly funny, beginning with Ma Flodder who searches other people's trash cans for food or making illegal liquor in her cellar and ending with the eldest daughter who is the biggest slut on earth. Together they make the most horrible family imaginable, a sort of immoral mirror image to the Brady Bunch or the Waltons. When the City counsel of Amsterdam hoped that the Flodders would show their good will to be more civilised in their new area, it turns out that Holland's most famous family would rather bring out the worst in the rich people of "Sun Valley"-wonderland. The rest is a hilarious, brilliant and well made social satire that can be watched as a provocative movie as well as a straightforward comedy. Dick Maas at his best. I salute him! Flooder was the Dutch smash hit in 1986 and brought two sequels and a tv series. All of the sequels were nice but not as great as the original.
Flodders (1986) is available on DVD in Germany in a dubbed German version in Dolby Digital 5.1. under the name:
"Flodders -Eine Familie zum knutschen"
Why is First Floor Features, the producer of the movie not bringing the Dick Maas blockbusters out on DVD in the Netherlands, I wonder. The are not even available on video there. These movies have so much potential, still to this day and have a huge silent but true following.
燃归燃，但友谊羁绊守护啊什么的，这中二的台词，为啥让我犯了中二尴尬的病，一定是自己的原因 多少有些无福消受了。
人家正正经经开个会，我这边就当恐怖片来看……真的不能高估人性啊！
十几个人拍拍桌子就决定了600万犹太人的生死！看的太压抑。
嬉笑间决定了数百万人的生死，一切都是那么的平淡。
ps：娜娜明为时仅30秒的打戏帅疯了谁🤤🤤🤤🤤
大emo 戏里戏外都太感人好哭了，天妒英才，薪火相传，厚积薄发，时时刻刻。
看到高潮的我：就这？……其实不错啦，人物塑造、节奏把控都很好……只是希望打斗能更精彩点……
有人说，这是纳粹版的十二怒汉。不错，场景的设置和影像的表达确实有近似的地方。但是，万湖会议的参与者没有十二怒汉们价值观的激烈碰撞，也没有耶稣般的拯救启蒙者。他们殊途同归，只是在解决犹太人的技术细节上争论，只是为自己和背后团体谋一点私利。这些衣冠楚楚的上层人士，心中唯有工具理性，他们是现代性这架大机器上冰冷的螺丝钉。电影拍的很克制，没有任何多余的渲染。因为历史已经足够令人错愕警醒了。
德国人的严谨，一丝不苟和高效，在这场会议中完全用在邪恶目的上了。
德国人从多方面考虑处理犹太人问题的会议。会议的讨论十分细致，从国内外的政治环境、财产问题、交通运输、法律、外交、辖区管理等角度，分别探讨运送前、运送中、运送后可能带来的问题与对策，甚至对英美苏瑞等国存在的犹太人处理有了未来的预案，不过片中也多次反映一些处理的可行性不高。除此之外，更多地呈现了由此引发的官僚之间职权争夺、互相甩锅的现象。话说那个Stuckart博士多次和别人硬刚，坚持落实法律规定，在血统认定上强硬，我还以为他是个地下辛德勒，直到他后期来了个Zwangssterilisaionen，赶紧查了一下他的生平和他所谓的法律，也是绝了。另外，最后通过高度的分工与流程来保障德国军队的心理健康还真是严谨。这电影算是长见识了。
轴心说“轴心”是轴心
m2279：从历史事件来看，令人发指；从电影来看，平平。
万湖会议中的艾希曼真的是“尽职尽责”，非常完美地完成自己的工作，真就是“恶的庸常化”。
犹太人被系统性屠杀也是整个欧洲的罪恶，难怪当下的白左什么都愿意用种族灭绝去职责别人，他们是在自我赎罪。当初有多右，现在就有多左。
4/5 | 对一个正常社会而言，平庸之恶的出现当然百害而无一利。但对归附于不道德体制的个体而言，ta总能凭借体制赋予自身的他者化冷漠，形成某种程度的自圆其说，而解除个人在道德层面的反思。万湖会议某种意义上就是平庸之恶的集中反映和体现。
其实是史料价值，也拍不出什么精彩的东西，主要也是平庸之恶。但也表现出了纳粹之于历史上其他反派最不同的地方，它把人类文明的精华的部分（科学成果，技术进步，社会组织效率等），用来作恶。相对于战争中部分军人的野兽行径，纳粹更恐怖的地方——人类从未如此接近成为恶魔。
don't know，don't care
海恩里希没有布拉纳饰演的精彩，艾希曼的戏份不多，对最终解决方案的毒气办法，没有给出数字上的预估，所以还是显得没有老版的残酷
最后那段儿让我想到了前些时候看的《来自纳粹地狱的报告》，工业化流水线杀人，把人当做资源去采掘，才是真正可怕的地方
电影内容或许很有意义，也很有警示性，但这绝不能令它成为一部好电影
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